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PeterO

jamesh wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 01, 2021 6:50 pm
Just had this pointed out to me, thought it might amuse some people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3db_zsrXj8

Using children to attack people you disagree with is pretty low even for you James !

I'm outa here.....

PeterO

PeterO

Of course we could have a "compile and download and run" button within a fully functioned IDE. The two are not mutually exclusive. Indeed, I think the Pico SDK with VSCode delivers that if you wire up the SWD. It just doesn't do it over the USB cable. You miss the point.... I just want a ...

PeterO

It should be as easy for PeterO (and the rest of us old hands) to upload code as it is in uPython. This really is the crux of the matter as far as I'm concerned. I spent years dealing with "heavy weight professional development environments" and these days I avoid them like covid-19. Just...

PeterO

If you follow that thread you'll see it is an issue with something enabling the debug pins (which by default are 19,20,21). It that case it was a bug in code in time.c, but as the symptoms seem similar for the micropython problem it seems possible that this also is being cause by something incorrec...

PeterO

I'm not sure it's the utime module - I have exactly the same problems with GPIO19 and GPIO21 and I'm not using utime. If you follow that thread you'll see it is an issue with something enabling the debug pins (which by default are 19,20,21). It that case it was a bug in code in time.c, but as the s...

PeterO

It **might** have something to do with this...

viewtopic.php?f=145&t=300624&p=1806281& ... t#p1806281

Maybe the micropython "utime" library has the same bug as the C time.c functions ?

PeterO

PeterO

My view is that first small step should have a few obstacles as possible, and there are obstacles here that clearly don't need to be there. On my main Pi I ran the install script and 30 minutes later I could write & compile code and drag the UF2 file over and have it run. I think that qualifies...

PeterO

How do I get start in a "Arduino-like" compile-upload cycle over the USB connection without needing to touch any hardware, as is possible with Thonny? As far as I can see you can't beacuse all that is provided is an "awkward way of flashing their devices" via some extra hardware...

PeterO

I think your application development area is very different to mine.... PeterO Being a noob and not even having a Pico or read all the documentation, I wonder if it would be possible to wire a couple GPIO lines from a Pi 4 to the run pin and boot select then toggle those programmatically as part of...

PeterO

but the filesystem was created as part of creating the .img file But using the img file is the (file) system creation time! Or are you saying that you are duplicating SD cards after creating them? I'm a bit confused now! The filesystem that ends up on your SDcard was created by RPT guys at some ear...

PeterO

It's well hidden ! I can't see any other uses of "in_()" anywhere else in the Python or C SDK documents.
PeterO

PeterO

I Should have read the initial post more carefully !
Anyway .... I have found some broken links in the documentation !

https://datasheets.raspberrypi.org/pico ... on-sdk.pdf
Page 17
"Chapter 4" and "Raspberry Pi PicoC/C++ SDK" links don't work.

PeterO

PeterO

I think your application development area is very different to mine....
PeterO

PeterO

Compile, download, test is usually incredibly slow compared to building a huge toolkit of known good routines, careful design and assembly, setup of multiple test cases for each compile, download, test so you can do the maximum work. I've firmware that can take 20 minutes to get in to the right sta...

PeterO

aallan wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:30 pm
the only thing that you can drag-and-drop onto it that will stay there is a UF2 file.

"stay there" suggests it should still be shown when you replug/power cycle the PICO, and it won't be !
PeterO

PeterO

How so? This is the "General Discussion" forum within "Community". The other one is "General" within "Raspberry Pi Pico" within "Hardware and peripherals". Makes sense to me. The hierarchy is at the top of every page. Would the requested changes mak...

PeterO

Milliways wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 28, 2021 1:43 am
Is it possible to rename the new Pico topics?

New posts shows "General" etc, but this is ambiguous.

You are not alone !

viewtopic.php?f=63&t=299628

PeterO

PeterO

I appreciate it's a bit of an exaggeration, but if you download more than a couple of times per hour, you're doing it wrong. And even then, you should be doing it with a debugger/programmer. It depends entirely on your development style. I take a very "incremental" approach and rarely wri...

PeterO

But none of that helps people move from hobbyist/maker to the money making real world, which is what Raspberry Pi is about. That's not how it look from here... It's always looks as if the Primary/Secondary eduaction market is RPI primary focus. That's where you seem to put the most money (all of RP...

PeterO

As pointed out in a report, apt doesn't work on Mac or Windows, whereas git does. So we would also need to provide packages in as Windows installers, and Mac whatevers. Which is a massive increase in workload. But as users we don't care about YOUR workload, we care about OUR workload. You are suppo...

PeterO

Git is likely the most popular way of distribution source code now. It works really well, allows you to update, try out different branches etc. apt doesn't give you the same level of flexibility. May be better for you as tool developers, but for mere mortal tool users git and github are pointless a...

PeterO

jamesh wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:45 am

PeterO wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:36 am

jamesh wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:21 am
No time to luxuriate. Loads of work backed up whilst getting Pico out of the door!
<cough> 64bit PiOS <cough>
PeterO
One of many.

You need to expand with your expanding product range !
PeterO

PeterO

jamesh wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:21 am
No time to luxuriate. Loads of work backed up whilst getting Pico out of the door!

<cough> 64bit PiOS <cough>
PeterO

PeterO

nick.mccloud wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:22 pm

PeterO wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 24, 2021 1:43 pm
None of this messing about with hubs, extra wires to GPIO pins or the like is needed on other microcontroller boards.
The AdaFruit Feather STM32F405 on my desk begs to differ

Did I say "EVERY other microcontroller" ?

PeterO

PeterO

None of this messing about with hubs, extra wires to GPIO pins or the like is needed on other microcontroller boards.
The PICO is a step backwards in usability which will make it harder to use in educational environments for example.
"Spoilt for a ha’p’orth of tar" comes to mind.
PeterO

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