finsfree
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Raspberry pi 4 operating systems

Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:58 am

Can you load any other OS onto the raspberry pi 4 besides Raspbian? I've tried Ubuntu and Kali Linux (pi versions) and they both never booted. The only OS that works is Raspbian.

In fact, I can't even get Kali linux (pi version) to load on a Raspberry pi 3.

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Re: Raspberry pi 4 operating systems

Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:04 am

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Re: Raspberry pi 4 operating systems

Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:07 am

The Raspberry Pi Foundation maintains Raspbian and makes sure that it runs on any new Pi when a new model is launched. Other OSes are up to those that choose to maintain versions that run on Pis and mostly have to generate versions for new models after they get their hands on them. This can take anywhere from days to months.

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Re: Raspberry pi 4 operating systems

Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:25 am

finsfree wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:58 am
Can you load any other OS onto the raspberry pi 4 besides Raspbian? I've tried Ubuntu and Kali Linux (pi versions) and they both never booted. The only OS that works is Raspbian.

In fact, I can't even get Kali linux (pi version) to load on a Raspberry pi 3.

The following were both supported on release of the RPi 4B:

Raspbian Buster
LibreElec


Subsequently Kali Linux released an updated version for the RPi 4B:

https://www.andreafortuna.org/2019/07/1 ... -pi-4/amp/

If you have issues with Kali post it on their Support Forums.
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Re: Raspberry pi 4 operating systems

Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:56 pm

I did a whirlwind tour of the alternative images available (i.e specifically compiled and tested) for the Pi 4 last week. Here's a list of what I found:

Arch Linux
Very basic but very customizable. If you want a desktop experience, you probably want the arch-based Manjaro instead.
https://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv ... berry-pi-4

Gentoo
Hard-core build-from-source distro for custom applications. Relive linux in the 1990s! :P
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/User:Neddy ... it_Install

Manjaro
A polished, 64 bit desktop alternative.
https://osdn.net/projects/manjaro-arm/s ... fce/19.08/

Kali Linux
32- and 64-bit. A "rolling release" debian with a focus on network penetration testing.
https://www.offensive-security.com/kali ... rm-images/

Hypriot
Stripped raspbian with docker swarms and cloud-init out of the box. Raspbian based (?).
https://blog.hypriot.com/post/releasing-HypriotOS-1-11/

Ubuntu Server
Unofficial. 32- and 64-bit. Seems very solid but I didn't try installing desktop suites.
https://jamesachambers.com/raspberry-pi ... ion-guide/

Ubuntu Core 18 (aka "Snappy")
Embedded IOT platform.
https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/support-fo ... pi-4/11970

NextCloudPi
NextCloud with additional web control panels to manage file shares, etc. Raspbian based.
https://ownyourbits.com/downloads/

Open Media Vault
Experimental, but already pretty slick. Armbian based!
https://sourceforge.net/projects/openme ... %20images/

Lakka
LibreELEC with gaming emulation focus.
https://www.lakka.tv/articles/2019/08/0 ... 4-support/

LibreELEC
LibreELEC with multimedia/streaming focus.
https://libreelec.tv/raspberry-pi-4/


As for getting these to load, my process for burning images to SD cards is to *always* format the SD card with the official SD Association formatter from https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter/ and then use Etcher https://www.balena.io/etcher/

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Re: Raspberry pi 4 operating systems

Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:06 pm

Wow, very nice post BeauSlim!

I've been trying various OSes on my various RPis and on the Pi4, Manjaro is probably my favourite alternative OS.

I tried Gentoo but it kept getting into a broken state very quickly with portage, even using genup as instructed.

I like the idea of Arch and did get it running on another of my Pis, looks like the Pi4 instructions are new. But yeah, seeing as Manjaro is so good I'm not sure I could install Xfce on Arch and have it work better than Manjaro.

OMV is interesting - I experimented with it a little bit when I built a FreeNAS server - I'll have to check it out.

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Re: Raspberry pi 4 operating systems

Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:15 pm

BeauSlim wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:56 pm
As for getting these to load, my process for burning images to SD cards is to *always* format the SD card with the official SD Association formatter from https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter/ and then use Etcher https://www.balena.io/etcher/

There is no need to use SD Card Formatter if using Etcher.....
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Re: Raspberry pi 4 operating systems

Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:34 pm

If you use Manjaro you currently have to fiddle a bit to get the GPU driver running: https://forum.manjaro.org/t/manjaro-arm ... d/99031/30
After you did that disable compositing in the window tweaks settings in xfce which speeds up graphics by a lot.

Also in case you have sound issues: https://forum.manjaro.org/t/manjaro-arm ... d/99031/72 tsched=0 fixes it.

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Re: Raspberry pi 4 operating systems

Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:47 pm

BeauSlim wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:56 pm
I did a whirlwind tour of the alternative images available (i.e specifically compiled and tested) for the Pi 4 last week. Here's a list of what I found:
...
Gentoo
Hard-core build-from-source distro for custom applications. Relive linux in the 1990s! :P
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/User:Neddy ... it_Install
...
In addition to Neddy's build-from-scratch route, I also maintain a bootable 64-bit (kernel+userland) Gentoo OS image for the RPi4/RPi3 here.

This contains a reasonably comprehensive prebuilt package set (Xfce v4.12, LibreOffice v6.3.0.4, Firefox Quantum v68.0.2, Chromium v76.0.3809.87, Thunderbird v60.8.0, VLC v3.0.7.1, Kodi v18.0, GIMP v2.10.12 etc), and boots to a pre-configured Xfce4 desktop.

It's backed by a binhost, so upgrading should (almost entirely) involve only binary package installs (unless you want to compile stuff, of course, in which case GCC v9.2.0, Clang v8.0.1, IcedTea v3.13.0 (OpenJDK 8), Go v1.12.9, Rust v1.37.0 etc are bundled too ^-^).

Furthermore, for the Pi4 in the current 1.5.1 release:
  • V3D graphics acceleration is supported in X under vc4-fkms-v3d / Mesa;
  • the full 4GiB complement of memory is usable (if you are lucky enough to own a top-of-the-line model, that is ^-^);
  • the V4L2 M2M video codecs and optional plug-in camera module are both usable;
  • use of dual HDMI displays is supported;
  • Bluetooth, fast Ethernet, and dual-band WiFi work.
For more details, please see the announce post here. Screenshot (on an RPi4):

Image

A direct image download (suitable for Etcher etc.) is available from the GitHub link above, and it is also available for installation (on the RPi3 B/B+ and RPi4 B) using PINN (called gentoo64 there).

Alternatively, if you feel cheated by Gentoo without pain, there's also a 'lite' version that boots to a CLI (image also downloadable from the GitHub page linked above, and PINN).

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